Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Tue Aug 12, 2025 8:41 am


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:46 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1906
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I'm working on a florentine cutaway and I'm looking for methods to bind the point. I have done a florentine before but did not bind the point on that one. I know different folks have different ways to do this. Please share how you like to do it.
Thanks,
Steve


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:45 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:03 pm
Posts: 569
First name: Toonces
Last Name: the Cat
City: New Smyrna Beach
State: FL
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I've tried a number of different ways but this is what I find to be the best way to get clean miters:

1) Route for top and back binding/purfling.

2) Chisel out the Florentine points. I first score with a gramil and then cut with a saw. Chisel out the waste and then true up the edge with a sanding block.

3) Bind the top and back.

4) Carefully chisel the "miter points" into the binding. Then fit the florentine side pieces in one piece at a time (4 pieces).


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:10 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1906
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Thanks Toonces. I'm sure some people do the point first and then bind the back and top, but since you have tried a number of ways, and based on the work I have seen of yours, I trust your judgement...

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:23 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:03 pm
Posts: 569
First name: Toonces
Last Name: the Cat
City: New Smyrna Beach
State: FL
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I will add that it helps greatly to use a mallet for the chiseling process -- especially when cutting miters into woods like Ebony. A mallet helps direct a concentrated and precise force. Without a mallet, it is very hard to stop pushing on the chisel at the exact moment you need to. If you don't react quickly enough once the chisel is through the cut, then you can cause damage to your workpiece. I use a urethane mallet from a company called "Wood is Good" -- it is affordable and works really well.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:03 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2005 5:46 am
Posts: 2997
Location: United States
I also do mine like Toonces.

_________________
Jim Watts
http://jameswattsguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:59 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:17 am
Posts: 1032
Location: United States
City: Tyler
State: Texas
Same here. If you happen to have a copy of the LMI product catalog that they used to sell, it has a step by step pictorial done by one of the masters, might have been Somogyi IIRC.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:11 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:03 am
Posts: 6680
Location: Abbotsford, BC Canada
I've done it several ways too (with 12 guitars built, 10 have had Florentines) and the last one I did I did it the way Simon says :D and it has come out the best to date. The hardest part is making the final piece for the tip as there is a compound mitre on it. Wood glue is your friend when doing it this way as a bit of swelling of the woods is a good thing.

Attachment:
florentine tip.jpg


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
My Facebook Guitar Page

"There's really no wrong way, as long as the results are what's desired." Charles Fox

"We have to constantly remind ourselves what we're doing....No Luthier is putting a man on the moon!" Harry Fleishman

"Generosity is always different in the eye of the person who didn't receive anything, but who wanted some." Waddy Thomson



These users thanked the author Rod True for the post: James Orr (Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:11 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Florentine Point...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:27 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:08 am
Posts: 1906
Location: Raleigh, NC
First name: Steve
Last Name: Sollod
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Rod, Those are some nice miters...

_________________
Steve Sollod (pronounced sorta like "Solid")
www.swiftcreekguitars.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: rbuddy, roby and 42 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com